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Old 04-26-2005, 06:12 PM
toddadams toddadams is offline
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Default Fundamental differences

I don't think this is that much of a dilemma. In your two examples I see a clear distinction. The wires are a distracting intrusion into an otherwise good picture. The wrinkles are an integral part of the central subject.

To clone out the former is only helping to strengthen a good picture that happens to have an unfortunate distracting element. The latter is altering reality to polish up flaws that nature intended to be there.

That said, I'm quite a minimalist when it comes to Photoshopping. Of all the photos on my website, I can count exactly two where I've cloned something to eliminate a distraction. Still, even those have not had the basic impression of the scene altered.

My sort-of motto is that what you see in my prints is what you see on my slides and what you see on my slides is what I saw through the viewfinder. In those few cases where I make an exception to this, the modification is still as minimal as necessary and I make no attempt to conceal the fact that the image has been slightly Photoshopped.

What I really can't fathom or appreciate is someone inserting a huge full moon that nearly swallows a cityscape. That's just ridiculous to me.

To answer your question about classic photographers. I don't know about Bresson, but Ansel Adams certainly didn't shy away from darkroom trickery and I'm sure if he had had Photoshop at his disposal, he would have loved it.

And there is certainly a place for photographers and photography that reflects a more creative molding of captured light. Think of Jerry Uelsmann for instance. His prints don't reflect reality, and don't even make any pretensions about doing so. But I don't think many would argue that Uelsmann doesn't have a place at the table for exceedingly talented and important contemporary photographers.
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Old 05-12-2005, 11:43 AM
gracetansc gracetansc is offline
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Default of wires and such

I think it's fine to clone out wires etc.. I do agree that somehow it alters reality, but then again, if it makes for a better shot, why not? As a photographer, we are always on the lookout for the best image.. whether it be in terms of framing, lighting, location, etc.. so why not making the best image digitally?

I think the digital age is here to stay.. so let's embrace it.

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Old 05-19-2005, 09:51 AM
jinju jinju is offline
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Default Re: What is right? what is wrong?

It depends.

For some, photography is a faithful representation of reality. For others, photography is something more fluid.

Isnt this something we went through anyway? In painting, you had realists, but that changed. Then came the impressionists, dadaists, abstract artists, etc.

Some people value aesthetics over realism. I more partial to that kind of thinking. A photo is an image that doesnt have to be 100% faithful to reality.
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