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Great Ferrus 2007-03-22 18:08

Hello Aycin,
beautiful photo. It has a lot of meaning for me.
It shows brotherhood...
May we hope that our peoples save that brotherhood alive.
By the way: congratulations to Newroz! I hope your Newroz passed well. Mine was perfect! We danced all the night :)
How was your Newroz day? I hope well.

Greets
Ferhat

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Old 03-24-2007, 11:50 PM
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I wish mine was good as yours but it wasnt.
Because of bad events in every years...
Nevruz is a celebration of spring but some people choose this important day's date for make their propogandas, I cant understand why they are making their propogandas on this beautiful&meaninful day. It's really strange.
I can't find any meaning why they are making demonstration on that day. It's only celebration of spring since old centuries...
You should know what I've done on Nevruz day, I was at home to protect myself from these harmful events:(
I am happy that yours is fine. Anyway thanks for your note...
aycin

bu sene geçen senelere oranla daha az olaylı geçsede nevruz, insan bu güzel bayramı kutlamak yerine kalabalık yerlere gitmekten sakınmaktan "özellikle Taksim ve civarı" üzülüyor.
Ne garip dimi aslında bayram olan birgünün böyle bir hale gelmesi...
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Old 03-25-2007, 08:04 PM
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Well, I`m sorry for your bad Newroz :((
But if you think that negative about Newroz, then it`s impossible to be part of the celebration.
Newroz is a celebration of several peoples: it doesn`t matter who you are. So have no fear: just celebrate with them! :)
The things they do are no demonstrations: it`s what everyone does on Newroz: you dance and sing around fires.
I think you don`t know the legend of Newroz! =) Because if you knew it, then you would understand why the celebration goes like that

Here, the legend of Newroz in Turkish:

Ateş... Newroz... bir efsanenin, bir halkın yaşamında yeniden yaratılmasıdır belki en yalın "sözlük" anlamı...
çünkü bir efsane ki, Kürtler yeni çocuklar, yeni kuşaklarla çıkmış da tarihi satırların arasından, çocuklar dağ başlarına teker taşımış, dağlar, zalimler ve kahramanlar, yeniden vücut bulmuş.
Newroz'un "uzak" tarihinden bahsetmemek olmaz...
Kral Cemşit'in devrilmesi ile yerine geçer Dehaq... Veni kral Dehaq, kısa zamanda etrafa saldığı dehşetle adından sözettirir.
çünkü, bir hastalığa düşmüştür Dehaq.
her iki omzunda, yılanlar peydahlanmıştır. Yılanlar kesilir, kesildikçe yeniden türerler.
Korkunç acılar yaşamaya başlar dehaq. Ülkedeki bütün hekimler çağrılır, ama hiç biri bu derde çare bulamaz.
Lokman hekimler çareyi söyler ve tek çaredir ki kürdün gününü, geleceğini belirleyecektir.
Bu acıların dinmesi için, yılanların hergün iki genç insan beyni ile beslenmeleri gerekir.
Dehaq adamlarına emir verir; her gün iki genç insan saraya getirilir, başları kesilir ve beyinleri yılanlara yedirilir.
Zamanla binlerce gencin ölümü halk arasında büyük tepkilere neden olur.
Halk korku ve dehşet içindedir.
Sonraları Dehaq'ın sarayına aşçılık için alınan iki iyi niyetli insan;
Armail ve Karmail, hergün getirilen iki genci saklarlar ve onların yerine iki koyun beynini Dehaq'a götürürler.
Ölümden kurtulan gençler dağlara sığınırlar. bu durumun 30 yıl kadar sürdüğü söylenilir.
Birgün 12 oğlundan 11'ini dehaq'a veren kawa adındaki demirci, son çocuğu da istenince buna isyan eder.
Halkını ve bunca yıldır dağlara sığınan insanları örgütler, hep birlikte dehaq'a saldırırlar.
Demirci Kawa önderliğindeki bu halk ayaklanması zaferle sonuçlanır.
Saray ele geçirilir ve dehaq öldürülür. Devasa ateşler yakılır kutlamalar için.
Işte o gün takvimler m.ö. 21 mart 612'yi göstermektedir.
Artık yeni bir dönem başlamıştır, evet. O ateş sönmez.
Ateş kutsaldır artık. o ateş, yani Kawa ile dağlara sığınan gençlerin yaktığı ateştir bugün tutuşturacağınız.
Dağların tepelerinde görülen ateş kümeleri, kara kafalı çocukların üzerinden atlayıp da ise değip kutsandığı, dileklerin ve inançların, dirençlerin ve umutların harmanlandığıdır ki, 21 mart deyince, ateşe değin...
Kawa'nın ruhu ve dağlardaki Kürt gençlerinin kara bakışını, alevlerin arasında göreceksiniz...
Kaynak:
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/175403.php

So the story is quite related to Kurds` history: it is told that Kurdish people was formed by the saved youngsters who flew to the mountains.

I wish you celebrate your next Newroz, too.
I recommend you the homepage of Mezopotamya Kültür Merkezi:
http://www.mezopotamya.org/

Take care,
Ferhat
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Old 03-26-2007, 02:05 AM
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No Ferrus, you know what Kurdish people do on Nevruz in every year.
They only carry Apo and kurdish flags and shout as "Biji Apo! Biji Apo!".
This is not a celebration! What are they celebrate?

Apo is a criminal for thousands of innocent people's death and still in prison for these bad crimes.
Noone can make this disgusting man's propoganda in our lands!

And I don't accept these events as celebration!

That's why I don't want to be part of these celebration! if its celebration...

If these people know how to celebrate a happy day, be sure that I was celebrate with them.

Their aim is very different from what you're talking about!
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Old 03-26-2007, 06:54 PM
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Well....

There are different ways of celebrations, Aycin.
Demonstrations are a special way of celebrations.
But not everyone does demonstrate on Newroz.

There are wonderful concerts or meetings of music-loving people who meet in a stadium or a place wehere Kurdish singers perform their art...
Or cultural events like folklore-evenings with dancers of different parts of Turkey...
Or meetings where intellectuals get united, chat about their work and just have fun with other intellectuals.

So if you want to celebrate Newroz, then you have to know where you must go...
Because as you see, Newroz celebrations are very different. Some are used as demonstrations; they are the simple ones. They`re not very informative for persons like you.
But the real Newroz celebrations you find somewhere else: with friends, families, etc.. Only some special persons with whom you celebrate Newroz.
That`s what we did for example: we celebrated Newroz as a familiar tradition.
Then we went out at evening and visited a "Folklor Gecesi" where persons of different cultures met.

The best (Kurdish) cultural celebrations for Turkey are recommended by Mezopotamya Kültür Merkezi in Istanbul.
http://www.mezopotamya.org/

So visit this page to get infos about cultural events! ;)

Selamlar
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